Cindy Crawford is getting extremely candid about her ex-husband Richard Gere. The model opened up about heir failed marriage during an appearance on Marc Maron’s WTF Podcast last week, where she revealed that the high-profile pair weren’t as close as we may have thought.

“I didn’t think I was young, though, but I was young,” she admitted.”I was with Richard for like six years, but I was only married for two years.”

Though Cindy did a lot of growing during their marriage, ultimately it didn’t last. “And then, as I started kind of growing up and growing into myself – it’s hard to change the nature of a relationship once you’re already in it,” she said of why things didn’t work out. Crawford has since married Rande Gerber, who she shares two children with. The couple will also be celebrating their 18th wedding anniversary in May.

“I think why Rande and I really work is that we were friends first,” Cindy declared. “I never pretended to like baseball or meditation or whatever the version is.”